Should the Fall be celebrated? | Caleb Woodbridge and Damien Walter on Pullman/CSLewis hosted by John Nelson
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Philip Pullman has called C.S. Lewis’s Narnia stories a “filthy lie” — but is that fair?
In this episode of Unbelievable, John Nelson is joined by Christian writer Caleb Woodbridge and science-fiction critic Damien Walter to explore Narnia, His Dark Materials, myth, imagination and the search for meaning in a secular age.
They discuss Pullman’s critique of Lewis, the “problem of Susan,” whether Christianity suppresses maturity or offers a deeper vision of reality, and why fantasy and science fiction continue to wrestle with God, goodness, suffering and hope.
Can stories reveal truth? Is Christianity simply one myth among many — or, as Lewis believed, the “true myth” behind them all?
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Released on 25 Jun 2026
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