In this 2015 episode of Unbelievable, host Justin Brierley moderates a discussion between Christian advocate for Intelligent Design Jonathan McLatchie and atheist blogger Corey Markum. The debate centres on whether God or another form of intelligence is the best explanation for the complexity and apparent design observed in nature. The conversation addresses scientific arguments, the potential biases inherent in human perception of design, and theological implications, especially in regard to the problem of suffering and 'poor' design in biological systems.
00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview
01:43 Corey Markham's Journey to Atheism
05:51 Jonathan McClatchy's Interest in Intelligent Design
09:44 Defining Intelligent Design
15:48 Corey Markham's Psychological Perspective on Design
20:47 Philosophical and Scientific Critiques of Intelligent Design
26:54 Debating the Validity of Intelligent Design
34:07 Questioning Biological Design
34:33 Possibility of Natural Explanations
35:55 Debating Intelligent Design
38:10 Common Ancestry vs. Intelligent Design
40:11 Scientific Hypotheses and Worldviews
44:14 The Role of Theism in Science
47:56 Evidence and Inference in Intelligent Design
54:55 Challenges to Intelligent Design
58:18 The Problem of Suffering and Design
01:03:14 Concluding Thoughts and Future Discussions

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Released on 24 Jun 2025