​In this Unbelievable? debate shot in front of a live audience at Leicester Secular Hall, Andy Kind hosts two Christian thinkers who still manage to clash sharply: Professor Keith Fox (Emeritus Professor of Biochemistry in the School of Biological Sciences at Southampton University, where he led research on DNA recognition and structure) argues that theistic evolution best explains life’s diversity, while Peter S. Williams (Christian philosopher and apologist, and Adjunct Professor in Communication and Worldviews at NLA University College, in Norway) contends intelligent design can be a legitimate scientific inference in biology as well as cosmology.

With the twist that they attend the same church (and sit near each other!), the conversation stays warm but rigorous covering falsifiability, “designer/God of the gaps” concerns, irreducible complexity, junk DNA, and whether ID predicts anything testable. Audience Q&A pushes further into divine action, miracles, suffering, and the “fall,” as both guests probe what Christian belief can (and can’t) say about the natural world.

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Released on 26 Feb 2026